:grin2: This phenomena isnt gender specific. That is a pretty big assumption to make that he is using this as an excuse to bail and he is bored. In this scenario OP has a 21 year old daughter and has been married for 20 years. Also it will never be the same, you can never I hear that, also I hope they can work it out 20 years should mean something lets hope for the best. If you feel this clearly that you want a divorce, that's probably the right decision. Pls tell me it was, I'm losing it. Really ? Have you looked for a therapist? Just ask yourself why you feel so disassociated if youve made this decision calmly and rationally, I hope you read at least my two comments and see if theres anything in there that would help you in the interim. Im not sure why he even asked this if his mind is made up lol. She has no respect and she doesn't deserve you. In any marriage or long relationship there's flashes of doubt and regret and even wanting to leave. And then you're out here behind closed doors like "FuckThisGayAssEarth", Yep exactly, people harping on OP because he eavesdropped, most redditers will say anything to justify bs. Is it me or is this guy not only over dramatic about the situation but something seems fishy with his comments? I overheard my wife talking to one of her best friends on the phone while I was passing the bedroom. Never? Your spouse saying that might as well have been her driving a stake through your heart. There's always an opportunity cost to life. She told him that he was drunk and that no she hadn't told me. It was just a consolation prize. But she should've started talking to you long ago and, and this is the hard part, you would have had to know how to listen, and not let upset create worse problems, and that's not easy either. Once she has done so, go on from there. Why not? And in truth it nearly ruined me. The simplest reason why her ex seems more exciting than OP is that she didn't marry and raise kids and live for 20 years with that guy. But this is why I dont just say stuff, esp stuff I dont mean. Sounds like she was venting, but I definitely understand your reaction. This is totally fine - people grow apart or we realize it just isn't working. SHE LITERALLY SAID SHE WISHES THOSE 20 YEARS DIDN'T HAPPEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT. My gf told me she isnt sure if she is still in love with me or not recently and I've been experiencing similar symptoms. Why stick to traditions that just make you unhappy? "Don't make permanent decisions based on temporary emotions"!!! I told her not to use an social based subreddits because they are all disasters. Maybe she settled and then that settling extended into them having kids. Maybe his wife is a total cunt and that's it. Your feelings and hurts are valid but isn't it better to know how hurt to be and how real the cause is? There's not much else going on at all, she wants Tom and not her husband, she wants excitement and doesn't find it in her husband, she wouldn't be with her husband if Tom was serious with her Those things pretty much invalidate anything else that is said. I think speculation is a waste but it boils down to the fact of what was said. You raised two children together. There's obviously much more to this than you are saying and I think that you are projecting your own issues onto your wife. You've mentioned multiple times being free and wanting to do things you were kept from doing while in the marriage. sounds like she still hasnt gotten over being rejected by the other guy, and is with her husband for the stability guy #1 couldnt give her. Or are you just jelly, and want to keep trying with her? Over and out. If after 20 years you don't, something is terribly wrong. Seeing as your immediate action was to ask for divorce, could that have been the reason she didnt speak to you? Yeah I doubt were getting the whole picture. Fuck. It never gets easier when the topic is upsetting. I think it depends on how they work on this. Yep my reality feels broken. She said she settled for him and refused to communicate for 20 years. Very likely in my opinion. So it makes me wonder if a lot of miscommunication has to do with the fact that the signal-to-noise ratio for the sexes is different and how likely it is that any one statement will lead to some action beyond venting. You've never exaggerated something to a friend? Its possible. She continues to reinforce the idea, saying OP doesn't excite her. Any advice is appreciated. I think OP is still young enough to find someone who sees them as the best thing that ever happened to them. I dont understand how people dont think men/women wont throw 20 years out the window after a confession like that. Your relationship is not over and it never will be. Its also possible that OP and wife haven't had a nice date where they get to reiterate to each other how much they mean and reinforce it. It's 20 years OP is never gonna get back. If not, I think no period of time should make you have to stay. Love is not always an all or nothing situation. He's gaslighting you, probably cheating and toxic, you should block him and ghost. Makes him look like a schmuck and honestly, would make me wonder what else in the relationship was a lie. He will feel boring among many others. She isn't sorry she said it. Ending a 20+ year marriage over this seems weird. It is incredibly telling to me that OP isnt responding to any reasonable comments, only the ones that are telling him to lawyer up. Don't stay with people that don't actually value you. This could be something that can be worked out through counseling if they both want to, I've seen worse. She lied because she loved you. If she's not over her ex after 20+ years, then that is not a relationship I would want to be in either. Want a steady home life but a wild party life at the same time for example. BTW, the "not what it looks/sounds like!" 100% this post just reads of "straw that broke the camel's back" and there's a lot of backstory excluded from original post. Relationships dont stay exciting forever (thank goodness because that would be exhausting), the energy at the beginning is not the same energy after 20 years. If thats the case, it should have been communicated to her husband..not the friend! But you would be shocked at how many situations people feel will never ever get better that do. Edit: Read through some comments for perspective and it's kind of heart-breaking to see how many people are down for "throw out the whole wife." when the "isolated event" is hearing your wife say she only married you bc someone else wouldn't, you do what the fuck you want. Obviously if you are just done and not willing to do it that's your decision, but you might find it helpful and it could help you both find closure. "No I wasn't happy for 20 years. And it's not about me, because it's her mental illness that's driving the reaction not reality, but I still break down in tears when I hear it. Personally, I would never be able to connect to my spouse on the level required to make a relationship work after hearing that. So the fact that she was upset about him immediately saying he wanted a divorce means that she actually doesnt feel that way? worried she's middle-aged, her prime is past her etc. Man, even if I overheard someone say that after a year of being together I'd still think to leave. OP was suspended?! All I can think about is the life we've built over the last 8 years together and how could she possibly say something like that? We're definitely not getting the full picture. Its probably a matter of perspective. Anyway with that being said, if ever I overheard that. I wouldn't yell or scream, I'd be too destroyed. I'd be a trainwreck hearing my wife (married 13yrs) say that. Same level as admitting 20 years later that they had been cheating every day for 20 years. You couldnt have put this any more eloquently! You are wounded. I would rather my wife be cheating on me with the pool boy instead of saying something like that. That's disturbing. Do you honestly believe that talking with someone who has been lying and omitting for 20 goddamn years now that what they lied and omitted for is in danger is going to suddenly magically solve anything? I overheard my wife talking to one of her best friends on the phone while I was passing the bedroom. But just about everyone will feel it at some point, and those little depressive doubts can scream pretty loud if you're not used to shutting them up. Just get through right now in as healthy a way possible. That's totally different. Get a lawyer. For real. She lied because she loved you. Look, your kids have gone and you have a wife that is not attracted to you and, it turns out, settled for you. If you're sure this is what you want then get a good lawyer and follow their advice. Turns out Im not the best sex my wife has ever had. There would be more consequences and it would be a difficult decision to split apart the family while your kids are at such a young age. And, you feel like 20 years of marriage is a lie. Since I heard her say that I've suffered from derealization and depersonalization. What if her and her friend were playing Opposite Day? One day, I overheard my mother-in-law talking with her sister about how much she was dreading me going out to dinner with them that night. that doesnt sound very isolated. A trusted partner is one that cheats on you? This sounds like old people shit they tell themselves to soothe themselves. He wasnt happy the past few years with sex and suddenly his wife goes through possibly a midlife crisis and he is so quick to judge. Then you are right to leave. She can be hysterical all she wants - she can't unsay it, and you can't unhear it, and you no longer feel secure in your relationship, so leaving is probably for the best. The only people who are happy being settled for are those that literally have no other options. Or not. WebBefore my wife was with me she dated a man named Tom. People don't understand how huge of a blow this is to OP. Life partners dont just come along every day. At 45 her hormones may be all over the place and she is thinking all kinds of weird things. So the wife has pretty much spent most of her adult life with OP and as a mother. Or a future that probably would not turn out the way you think it would. OP tried to address the issue and bring it up with his wife, but she dismissed it every time. This post is fake as hell. Because they are. I know the world doesn't work that way and people settle all the time but doesn't make it something to strive for and protect either. you were married to your wife for over 20 years. Oh you settled for me? It's your life, and although you can't pick the cards you are dealt, it's up to you to play them the best you can. Both of these are incredibly sensible responses. It's entirely understandable to want to end something like that right off the bat, as it's feels like a dissolution to love. A lot of the people giving advice to this guy to leave his wife have probably never even had a 20 year long relationship. Wasn't expected a Johnathan Richman lyric here on reddit. Dude, you DESERVE love and happiness in your life. his wife says she settled for him and wants someone else for a whole 20 damn years and some how you think this is the guys fault. Love is more like a wall, or infrastructure; it has to be built and then systematically maintained or else it erodes. This poor man. How would you react? I'm close to OP's age and just recently got some great advice from a guy who has been married for 50 years: "There will be times when one of you falls out of love with the other, and that's OK, so long as you don't both do it at the same time". But after 20 years when both kids have moved on? I found out that my wife is telling her friends about our private life, including details of our sex life, and even our infrequent arguments. I am 100% certain these communication gurus in every thread have never been married. What's difficult to understand is how any sort of contextualization for what she said would change things. Dear Prudence, I accidentally overheard my fiance telling a friend on the phone, John might not have a lot of money, but at least he doesnt have any parents to annoy me.. I married a woman whos faithful, jolly and very loyal to me. People do have regrets, if OP feels this is right course than move on. First of all, it's very understandable to feel upset at what you heard. 2 years or 20 years, some shit just isn't good for a relationship. Shes fantasizing about her on and off ex who excited her, but probably fails to remember why she was on and off with him in the first place and how he wasnt serious about her. Combined with a bit of nostalgia or whatever she decided to tell it her closest friend and that would have been it. I'm sure my wife wakes up every morning, stares at me for a few seconds at least partially annoyed I'm not Idris Elba. Its because of the information in the post alone it seems a little weird to immediately end a relationship of 20 years over one comment- an extremely hurtful comment Ill admit. Do you just want out to see other people? How is OP supposed to operate now with people in their circle looking at their marriage as described by his wife? The rest of us understood what you meant. They are a poison that burns forever and on good days plants doubt behind any joy and on bad ones, strips any happiness from you. It's normal. What she said is fucked up.. She seriously just admitted that she thinks about her ex every day and that she settled for this guy because he'd commit. Im sorry but FUCK that noise. This may ultimately be the right choice for you but you're going to get very polarised opinions on reddit from people that don't know you or your situation. In OPWifes memory Tom is still a fit and handsome dude that doesnt fart when he gets out of bed and she never knew how much time he spent sitting on the toilet and she didnt have to argue about spending too much on groceries. Because it's either that the wife has been putting on an academy award winning performance for decades or it's that she really was happy and was just bitching to a friend because people do that. They were together for 3 years. All the responders saying how awful she is.I mean, maybe she is, but you can't know that. All I asked was if he had a conversation. You know her, and you know the relationship. So you can get more stable and figure out whats happening. If you stay, I promise you'll think about that sentence. 45 is tough but its still a decent age to start a new. Yea this is really not a good place for relationship advice. Most of the advice here is 14-18 year olds advising people going through mid life crises. Your wife had exactly this. I think he means that because they're not young children there is none of that "let's stay together for the kids" idea going around, because they're older, they can handle the truth, and may move out soon anyway. That's not normal and I'd walk away too. What could she possibly say to rectify this? It could be that OP's wife has come to a place in her life where she is not happy with herself. You are leaving her because of a thousand moments over the past 20 years that made you feel unloved, lesser-than, and rejected. WebI overheard my wife talking to one of her best friends on the phone while I was passing the bedroom. I have not judged you or told you what to do except that some of these conversations could yield information that might be helpful for you as you move forward. Im sure shell feel My wife is 7 different people before noon hits, and 3 of them hate everyone. Tell her to go find Tom. There's no such thing as a love of your life or a soulmate or anything. Listen to your wife. You never fantasized about another woman? But I got crazy butterflies just thinking about him and he turned me on something fierce. Idk whats so hard for people to understand about this. Especially when they don't know someone is listening. I wouldnt be able to stay either, Id be destroyed. I think OP had his mind made up before him overhearing his wife. I cannot help but think you're not giving us the whole story. This doesn't mean a long conversation isn't needed though. And then she began saying those things more and more often. And youre not wrong for doing so. You speak the truth and people do not like it. From OPs vantage point this is such an enormous blow that the constant tiny rejections arent so apparent. Honesty is key. But it isn't about you. Communicate with her if you want to stay. Makes you wonder why his wife said what she said. How you tried talking about things or did you just jump to divorce right away? Settling doesn't mean taking the lesser option, but finding your ideal place in the world and stopping run around hoping to find more. Sounds like OP and his wife would benefit from some professional counseling so that they can better communicate with each other and determine how to improve their relationship. All of it. Clearly intended as said.. not some passionate response.. Not just settled, but that she thinks about her ex every day even after 20 years of marriage. Oof, that is rough. Is this it?? It's one thing to fantasize what could have been, and another regretting that it didn't happen. That's how I took it exactly. They'll get old or fat. "Oh, how can you throw a 20 years relationship away over a simple comment.". She misses being young and Tom represents that time for her. You go girl!! ? That makes no sense. True. This. Life goes on, and theyve done studies that show that people that go through rough patches and decisions often later describe them as the best things that ever happened: things changed in unimaginable ways. It's not a punishment for the way she feels because she can't help that but I couldn't keep it going knowing we don't feel the same way about each other. The same way a 20-year affair is an isolated event. I think counselling should have been a first move, not divorce. you're right, it must have been terribly hurtful for OP, and counselling (individual and/or couples) would be beneficial. Somewhere along the way I guess I always knew I was settled for but was in massive denial. Think of all the times you have been talking to your mates about "that ex", "that girl over there" in front of a pint and just be realistic. I have talked to my friends numerous times about feelings I was having that I KNEW were irrational and fleeting but the feeling is real regardless and just getting it out can help you realize oh god thats really silly or wow I need to take action here.. But not a death knell. But small problems keep coming up, never big enough to feel like you'd be justified in making a big deal about it, but they keep piling up higher and higher, and they start feeling like a big deal when you consider the weight of all of them. If I had overheard my mother or father talk about the other like that, I honestly don't know if I could ever talk to them again. He can't make her love him more. These fools have no idea how soul crushing that actually is. Will take her out to nice places, and buy her stuff. You let her walk. You aren't someone's safe boring second option. But it puts a bad taste in my mouth that it feels like he never thought of couples counseling or divorce until this came up. Maybe you are having a bad day or week or maybe you are depressed. Upvoted just for that. Women (not all) tend talk to other people about their feelings, whether those feelings are rational or irrational, fleeting or deep-seated, big or small, new or old. They were together for 20 years. If this was a series of actions done out of hurt and anger rather than a really thought out decision, then he may come to regret how he acted. You are making the right decision. Yeah right. Ultimately, she shouldve talked to you. People act like she can redeem herself after saying her husband was not her first choice to be with. Any advice is appreciated. OP was the safe dependable choice. Incredible. She's fantasizing about something that could've been. She could get you with abandonment, and that would only make thing go more in her favor. In fact, I had already started seeing my now husband for about a month when things ended with the exciting guy. WAIT EVERYONE! One way is to divorce and find someone else or be alone. Seems like he jumped on the opportunity without having much of a conversation with her about what she supposedly actually meant. Exactly, people invest more and more (emotionally, socially, financial, etc) into a relationship and ending it can become more daunting the longer youre in it. ", Honestly the fact that it was such a long time makes it seem more justified to me. A midlife crisis sounds entirely plausible. Day. Not to mention the huge change of having the final kiddo head off to college just a year or so before. She still loves you, she just loves the idea of Tom. (And obviously I would never have found my SO.). And some breaches of trust can never be recovered from. You say that she's telling you that it wasn't what you thought, have you asked her how she meant it? I've said plenty of things that are regrettable in the heat of the moment but nothing even remotely close to something that horrible. It could also just be a mid life crisis. You said you were happy together, you love her and she loves you. Ive said stuff that would be hurtful, but I came out stronger at the other end. Thank goodness I thought I stepped into an alternate universe where people dont actually talk about feelings and their relationships. I can have every good intention in the world but if I accidentally hit someone with my car they're going to the hospital regardless. 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